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now, president obama wants higher revenues and higher tax rates but you know it often doesn't work out that way. in fact from kennedy to reagan to clinton to w. bush lower tax rates frequently increased tax revenues, particularly at the upper end of the income stream. so here now to discuss this we have cnbc contributor keith boykin a former clinton white house aide and forbes media chairman steve forbes author of freedom manifesto, why free markets are moral and big government is not. love that. hey steve and keith. keith boykin i'll give you a little supply side. you'll hate this. this couples from the irs. the irs is going to use the bush cut, the dreaded bush tax cuts. the richest 1% paid $84 billion inflation adjusted dollars more between 2000 and 2007. that's a rise of 23%. in other words, their tax rates went down. and their tax revenues went up. now, isn't mr. obama making a mistake? >> well, the rich are paying more in taxes because the rich are disproportionately receiving most of the income in this country. the reality, larry, is that in my lifetime we've actually only raise
now, president obama wants higher revenues and higher tax rates but you know it often doesn't work out that way. in fact from kennedy to reagan to clinton to w. bush lower tax rates frequently increased tax revenues, particularly at the upper end of the income stream. so here now to discuss this we have cnbc contributor keith boykin a former clinton white house aide and forbes media chairman steve forbes author of freedom manifesto, why free markets are moral and big government is not. love...
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rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make permanent tax cuts for 98% of the american people. >> the president would like to see it done tomorrow and would sign it right away. >> they will put for ending deduction and closing loopholes. >> republicans move a great deal. who was the first person after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the re-knew. >> they blasted the proposal to limit deductions to tell bloomberg television it's unrealistic. >> that means every hospital and university and non-for profit, the agency. across the country would find themselves
rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make...
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that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> in raw politics, with the country one day closer to the fiscal cliff, president obama took his case to the public today. he used an event in pennsylvania to rachet up the pressure on republicans to freeze taxes for the middle class while allowing the tax rates on the wealthy to go up. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> hm. in other words, the day after the white house puts its opening bid on the table, the president comes out swinging. that opening bid didn't have a whole lot of concessions in it to the republicans, and the republicans reacted as many would have predicted. they were mad. basically saying that offer was an insult. today, house speaker john boehner doubled down. >> it was not a serious proposal. and so right now, we're almost nowhere. >> that doesn't sound good. republic
that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> in raw politics, with the country one day closer to the fiscal cliff, president obama took his case to the public today. he used an event in pennsylvania to rachet up the pressure on republicans to freeze taxes for the middle class while allowing the tax rates on the wealthy to go up. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january...
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and house speaker john maynard discuss and the fiscal cliff and president barack obama suppresses his case today for a tax hike to help reduce the deficit. we are not insisting on rates just out of spite or any kind of partisan victory but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> and he made that pitch to several wealthy ceos he wants to raise taxes on the top 2 percent of income earners and he believes this will help raise the government's 16 trillion dollar debt coupled with spending cuts but the republican controlled house says the president has not responded to their latest proposal. >> i think we made a good-faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue and frankly it was the balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. erick kanter announced today there will be no adjournment into a credible solution to the fiscal cliff is found. >> house lawmakers proposed a bill today they claim will bring the costs under control and provide a safe retirement, it creates two
and house speaker john maynard discuss and the fiscal cliff and president barack obama suppresses his case today for a tax hike to help reduce the deficit. we are not insisting on rates just out of spite or any kind of partisan victory but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> and he made that pitch to several wealthy ceos he wants to raise taxes on the top 2 percent of income earners and he believes this will help raise the government's 16 trillion dollar debt...
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congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in england compiled a 2,000-page report on press ethics in which he warned that inaccuracy in newspapers caused significant concern. he claimed the independent was founded in 19786 by three journalists. he apparently got two names right. the third first appeare appearea wikipedia entry a year ago. far from being founder of the paper, the man's name is the same as a self-described beach bum from california whose only edit was on that page. the error was spotted and scrubbed by wikipedia a few weeks ago, but not in time to spare the judge's error. >>> as we told you earlier, president obama is rejecting a counter offer from
congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in england compiled a 2,000-page...
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what's obama doing with this first offer, do you think? >> i'm not exactly sure because i don't understand the economic rationale behind it. look at the world that we are in. it is a 2% u.s. growth rate. it is not the 3% we are historically used to. look what's going on in europe. look what's going on in asia, the slowdown there. look at the context at which we want to take money out of the private sector. taxes by definition is contractionary. >> for a while i wondered in first term figured look, the president sooner or later will realize he needs jobs to get re-elected so will come onboard with pro-growth stuff and jobs he was able to, you know, to be re-elected at 7.9%. now you want a legacy that shows that you had a good economy and that you got the jobless rate down. so you are going -- i'm -- maybe there's just a disconnect between whether people that work for him really understand what generates economic growth and jobs and what doesn't. and -- i mean, we will transform society in a way that maybe is more positive for him, obama car
what's obama doing with this first offer, do you think? >> i'm not exactly sure because i don't understand the economic rationale behind it. look at the world that we are in. it is a 2% u.s. growth rate. it is not the 3% we are historically used to. look what's going on in europe. look what's going on in asia, the slowdown there. look at the context at which we want to take money out of the private sector. taxes by definition is contractionary. >> for a while i wondered in first...
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. >> didn't we learn in 2011, where the government seemed less stable and our triple-a rating went down to a double-a rating and right now, john thune was right, it takes time to bush legislation through and we can't have a deal cut on christmas eve. >> is this brinksmanship on behalf of the president and time geithner, his treasury secretary, in terms of what the dems are now offering congress? >> no, i think the president has made a riegsal offer and of course, it's an opening offer, but that silence is deafening for the republicans, for the republicans' response. their political lemmings getting ready to go off the fiscal cliff and rather do that and not violate the no tax pledge they made to grover norquist than to move the ball forward and resolve this for the american people. >> is it really about that, angela and dick, is it really about the pledge that was made to grover norquist, no new taxes? we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it'
. >> didn't we learn in 2011, where the government seemed less stable and our triple-a rating went down to a double-a rating and right now, john thune was right, it takes time to bush legislation through and we can't have a deal cut on christmas eve. >> is this brinksmanship on behalf of the president and time geithner, his treasury secretary, in terms of what the dems are now offering congress? >> no, i think the president has made a riegsal offer and of course, it's an...
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president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this morning's jobs report. what role did sandy play in hiring? ♪ [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the u.s. postal service. visit usps.com. pay, print, and have it picked up for free before december 20h for delivery in time for the holidays. you can even give us special instructions on where to find it. free package pickup. from the u.s. postal service. because it's nice to have an extra pair of hands around for the holidays. because it's nice to have an extra pair of hands around ♪ ♪ there's no such thing whenas too soft. toilet paper, i know what i like. i
president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this...
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. >> bret: this is a different president obama than in the debt ceiling negotiations. last time around. they are clearly signals that they have the stronger hand. and they are not -- it doesn't even seem like they are getting to a room. >> yeah. >> bret: to negotiate. >> they feel like they have the stronger hand because he won re-election an every pole shows most americans are fine with the tax rates going up on people making more than $250,000. so they feel like they have that on their side. what they also have on their side the president you can't forget did give in on this issue twice. in the last time he gave in on it he said never again. so that is what is hanging over him. he has his base looking at him saying you gave in on this two times. it's now time to live up to your word. so he is kind of boxed in, in a way politically as well that he has to give this. i agree with charles. you can get the money a different way. i don't think they are going to compromise on that. >> bret: is the base just looking for the scalp of the rates, instead of the money? >> yes. >
. >> bret: this is a different president obama than in the debt ceiling negotiations. last time around. they are clearly signals that they have the stronger hand. and they are not -- it doesn't even seem like they are getting to a room. >> yeah. >> bret: to negotiate. >> they feel like they have the stronger hand because he won re-election an every pole shows most americans are fine with the tax rates going up on people making more than $250,000. so they feel like they...
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president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this morning's jobs report. what role did sandy play in last month's hiring. this is the morning news. port. what role did sandy play in hiring? ♪ [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the u.s. postal service the holidays are easy. visit usps.com. pay, print, and have it picked up for free before december 20h for delivery in time for the holidays. you can even give us special instructions on where to find it. free package pickup. from the u.s. postal service. because it's nice to have an extra pair of hands around for the holidays. because it's nice to have an extra
president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this...
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. >> anything short of marginal rates, here's the times today, obama's end to giving in. there's a big piece in the journal also about that quoting all these leading democrats saying the president has to hold firm this final they're tieing a whole four years to this, the way this goes, so goes the next four years. so far he's under enormous pressure to stand pat. and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >> it's boehner -- the mcconnell and pelosi and reid have nothing to do with what's going on between boehner and obama. >> to some extent that's true. >> reid is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -
. >> anything short of marginal rates, here's the times today, obama's end to giving in. there's a big piece in the journal also about that quoting all these leading democrats saying the president has to hold firm this final they're tieing a whole four years to this, the way this goes, so goes the next four years. so far he's under enormous pressure to stand pat. and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope...
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. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: in his first interview since the election, president obama rejected a proposal from house speaker john boehner. he spoke on bloomberg television. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. i'm happy to entertain other ideas that the republicans may present. but we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or to cut our way out of this deficit problem that we have. we're going to need more revenues. in order to do that, that starts with higher rates for the folks at the top. >> reporter: the president did say today he would consider lowering rates again for the top two percent next year as part of a broader tax overhaul. the house republican plan envisions $2.2 trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade. $800 billion would come from new revenues but with no hike in tax rates for top earners. instead the plan relies on $1.2 trillion in reduced spending including $600 billio
. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: in his first interview since the election, president obama rejected a proposal from house speaker john boehner. he spoke on bloomberg television. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. i'm happy to entertain other ideas that the republicans may present. but we are not going to simply cut our way to...
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having a little bit of a slow response rate. in the swing states, look at where president obama's percentages are at. he did better in the swing states than overall. mitt romney's 47.2%. 12 swings states broadly outlined. we throw in pennsylvania and a minnesota among 0 others. the nonswing states, the president still has over 50.7% there. mitt romney, there's that number again, 47%. let's move on to the margin of victory in the swing states. the president had a four-point margin of victory in the nonswing states. it was closer to three points. let's move on to where he won and how it counted. here, 62% of electoral votes for the president. 332 out of 538. just six presidents, six presidents, have won at least two elections with 51% of the vote or more and not since eisenhower has any president done that. the president, though, only won 22% of all counties. that's the lowest percentage out of 689. that's the lowest percentage of counties that any one president had since 2008. when he had 28% of counties there. believe it or not,
having a little bit of a slow response rate. in the swing states, look at where president obama's percentages are at. he did better in the swing states than overall. mitt romney's 47.2%. 12 swings states broadly outlined. we throw in pennsylvania and a minnesota among 0 others. the nonswing states, the president still has over 50.7% there. mitt romney, there's that number again, 47%. let's move on to the margin of victory in the swing states. the president had a four-point margin of victory in...
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his approval ratings have soared since the storm. he was lobbying obama for more federal aid for victims. he stopped by "the daily show" to talk about why he shifted from criticizing the president's leadership before the storm to praising it right before the election. >> it tells me people have different skill sets at different times. that's what it tells me. >> so he wasn't a leader until you needed leadership? >> maybe until he was presented with a stark opportunity to lead. >> with thousands protesting inside and outside the capitol, the republican controlled state legislature in michigan voted right to work legislation. it prohibits unions from collecting fees. critics say the move only applies to the private sector will weaken bargaining power for unions,s supporting including reich sni rick snyder says it will make them more competitive. the home, if you will, the unofficial home, of the labor movement, is now a right-to-work state. that's going to make for an interesting 2014 state campaign there. >>> the final race of 20912 e
his approval ratings have soared since the storm. he was lobbying obama for more federal aid for victims. he stopped by "the daily show" to talk about why he shifted from criticizing the president's leadership before the storm to praising it right before the election. >> it tells me people have different skill sets at different times. that's what it tells me. >> so he wasn't a leader until you needed leadership? >> maybe until he was presented with a stark...
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he said he could support president barack obama's demand for an increase in tax rates as part of a comprehend sufficient plan -- comprehensive plan to cut the federal deficit. some are looking for ways to save faces a they give in. >>> and maintenance costs, used by state lawmakers, at least a douse member of the legislature had repairs on those vehicles and repairs were made before lawmakers used them for their personal use. in any case the costs were thousands of dollars. >> only state in the country finally ended this program and they saw some abuse and they saw voters did not like the program and that it was a perk they could give up. >> starting this year, lawmakers are not issued any cars anymore instead they are. >> paid a moulin rate -- mileage rate for using their own vehicles. >>> now here is a look at items where they recently confiscated them from the burglary ring. investigators have arrested two brothers and a woman all in their 20s in connection with thefts. if your property is part of the cache look at the web link section. >>> according to a new census data, there were more t
he said he could support president barack obama's demand for an increase in tax rates as part of a comprehend sufficient plan -- comprehensive plan to cut the federal deficit. some are looking for ways to save faces a they give in. >>> and maintenance costs, used by state lawmakers, at least a douse member of the legislature had repairs on those vehicles and repairs were made before lawmakers used them for their personal use. in any case the costs were thousands of dollars. >>...
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with the deal that involves raising tax rates president obama is ready over the cliff. joining as well, congresswoman martian blackwell. if given a choice would you take no deal of fall and over the cliff or you take a deal that includes higher tax rates on the rich? >> to raise tax rates on anybody is the wrong step. what we have said for a long time is cut the spending. look at revenue. stuart: i have today on this. would you absolutely positively say no, i will not vote for raising tax rates on the rich. i would rather go over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't want to go over the fiscal cliff, but i am not for raising the tax rates. you are not getting to the heart of the problem. it is continuing to sweep of the rock. stuart: you may come to a point where that is the twisted your facing. if he don't say yes on raising tax rates we will go over the cliff. when the going to do if push comes to shove at the very end of this month. >> and what we're trying to do them all we have been trying to do for years is to not come to this point. had we been addressing the need for a p
with the deal that involves raising tax rates president obama is ready over the cliff. joining as well, congresswoman martian blackwell. if given a choice would you take no deal of fall and over the cliff or you take a deal that includes higher tax rates on the rich? >> to raise tax rates on anybody is the wrong step. what we have said for a long time is cut the spending. look at revenue. stuart: i have today on this. would you absolutely positively say no, i will not vote for raising tax...
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obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise those rates where all bush cuts on all tax brackets expire at the end of the year. that is something that gives president obama a lot of clout right now. you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. congressman cole happens to disagree strongly, but at the same time he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january 1st. >> in my view, we all agree that we are not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should take them out of this discussion right now and continue to fight against any rate increases. continue to try to work honestly for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole who will join us shortly is a rock rib republican, and is no longer a lone voice in the wilderness. i'm quoting now, the fact is that republicans face a new political reality on taxes. president obama's re-election means that taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. the question is how republicans should handle this reality. congressman cole, as y
obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise those rates where all bush cuts on all tax brackets expire at the end of the year. that is something that gives president obama a lot of clout right now. you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. congressman cole happens to disagree strongly, but at the same time he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january 1st. >> in my view, we all agree that we are not...
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>> just look at the numbers that obama uses. if you repeal the top tax rates you're supposed to make 800 billion. if you repeal the whole bill you're supposed to lose 4.5 trillion. it all went to the middle class. i got to challenge your facts on that. that went to the middle class. but do you think right now that there is a chance, i mean responding to what peter said, do you think that obama is going to cold shoulder the gop? here's why i'm saying this. let me just go one more thing. i think he's bluffing. i think the last thing in the world obama wants is a stalemate that will lead to all the taxes going up. all of them. and will lead to a recession. >> disaster. >> then he would be herbert hoofer obama and his second term and legacy would be completely wrecked. that's why i think obama is bluffing and the gop needs to counter. >> there's a distinct philosophical differences obviously between the house majority, which peter was elected overwhelmingly in 2010 and resoundingly re-elected in 2012. across the country. they have a
>> just look at the numbers that obama uses. if you repeal the top tax rates you're supposed to make 800 billion. if you repeal the whole bill you're supposed to lose 4.5 trillion. it all went to the middle class. i got to challenge your facts on that. that went to the middle class. but do you think right now that there is a chance, i mean responding to what peter said, do you think that obama is going to cold shoulder the gop? here's why i'm saying this. let me just go one more thing. i...
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the problem with obama's proposals is he wants more. this idea that raising tax rates does not hurt the economy because, you can go ahead and spoke three packs of cigarettes a day for the rest of your life because i know somebody who did that and he did not get cancer. stuart: okay. that was very good. [ laughter ] now, i know why you have not been on the show very often. i am at a loss for words when you are done. stephen moore, i do hope you come back and see us soon. >> thank you, sir. stuart: here is an example of what i call tax hypocrisy. costco founder going to save because of the dividend payment this year. not next year, this year. the ceo, he is a very big obama supporter. even spoke at the democratic convention. >> a president who understands what the private sector needs to succeed. a president who takes the long view and makes the tough decisions. that is whh i am here tonight supporting president obama. stuart: supports president obama, supports tax the rich, but does not pay the rich taxes. i say tax hypocrisy and i am be
the problem with obama's proposals is he wants more. this idea that raising tax rates does not hurt the economy because, you can go ahead and spoke three packs of cigarettes a day for the rest of your life because i know somebody who did that and he did not get cancer. stuart: okay. that was very good. [ laughter ] now, i know why you have not been on the show very often. i am at a loss for words when you are done. stephen moore, i do hope you come back and see us soon. >> thank you, sir....
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as luke said, not giving in on the issue of raising tax rates. they hold out this promise of tax reforms with loopholes and deductions. i don't know exactly how they arrive at that. it strikes me when you think back to 2010 when obama went along with extending the bush tax cuts for two more years. he was adamant back then, this is it and i'm doing it for two more years and i'm going to run for re-election and make them go away for rich americans. that's not acceptable to the white house, $800 billion from so-called tax reform. >> well, steve, i mean, you put it sole well i don't know how to improve on that. that's my first reaction, is that the absence of any l giving any ground on the rates mean we haven't moved that far here. i think that that's the key sticking point here. you know, as a matter of -- a lot of what's happening here is a duel in public opinion and the media, who looks like they're reaching out and who gets blamed if things get ugly. i think the republicans are trying to put a veneer of specificity to look like they're -- i think
as luke said, not giving in on the issue of raising tax rates. they hold out this promise of tax reforms with loopholes and deductions. i don't know exactly how they arrive at that. it strikes me when you think back to 2010 when obama went along with extending the bush tax cuts for two more years. he was adamant back then, this is it and i'm doing it for two more years and i'm going to run for re-election and make them go away for rich americans. that's not acceptable to the white house, $800...
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this is why president obama extend the tax rates for a year action because he said this could hurt the economy. here we are again. we're not anywhere different than we were last year really. >> gregg: donna, dick durbin, the senate's number two democrat, said that social security is off the table because i'm going to quote him here -- it does not add a penny to our deficit. that's ludicrus. >> i think that i'm unable to comment because i think the context may have something to do with the sense of lock box and where this money actually comes from and where it sits in the meanwhile before it gets spent. but i also think it's awfully important to remember that in terms of republican cooperation, the president really has been i think very sincere about seeking that cooperation and initially speaker boehner i think expressed with great sincerity his interest in cooperation. i dare say that there has been a lot of biplay among both the senators and the house members on what that cooperation is going to look like. but i do think it's awfully important that we not come out of this process and
this is why president obama extend the tax rates for a year action because he said this could hurt the economy. here we are again. we're not anywhere different than we were last year really. >> gregg: donna, dick durbin, the senate's number two democrat, said that social security is off the table because i'm going to quote him here -- it does not add a penny to our deficit. that's ludicrus. >> i think that i'm unable to comment because i think the context may have something to do...
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. >> obama: let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2% that includes all of you guests but not in anyway that is going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next year. 97% of small businesses don't see a single dime of tax increases next year and by doing that alone we raise almost a trillion dollars. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: associated press says the white house is signalling president obama is willing to let the country go over the cliff. this is a choice of the republican party if they are willing to do higher rates on the country, there is a lot to talk about, if they are not, they will push us over the cliff. tim geithner said there is no prospect in an agreement that doesn't include the tax rate going up on the top 2% of americans. he said we are not prepared to have the american economy held hostage to periodic threats. >> there you go. >> stephanie: and he pointed out, taxes were the centerpiece of the presidential campaign.
. >> obama: let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2% that includes all of you guests but not in anyway that is going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next year. 97% of small businesses don't see a single dime of tax increases next year and by doing that alone we raise almost a trillion dollars. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >>...
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outcome of the negotiations, but as secretary geithner said over the weekend, as, i think, president obama conveyed in the interview today with bloomberg tv, he remains confident we can get this done. he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgement and acceptance that rates have to go up on higher end earners that, well, we can find a compromise here that resolves the fiscal cliff and takes a very important step towards the kind of broad balanced deficit reduction package that do enormous good to the economy. the kind of package i should not leave out with targeting investments so the economy continues to grow and create jobs. as i said on occasions, deficit reduction in and of itself is not a goal, but part of the plan that is focused on economic growth and job creation. president's very focused on that. jay? >> just a second ago, you referred to how the debt ceiling, taking it off the table, needs to be part of the deal. you referred to the economy, you called held hostage by the ideological team. you were aware of this, senator obama w
outcome of the negotiations, but as secretary geithner said over the weekend, as, i think, president obama conveyed in the interview today with bloomberg tv, he remains confident we can get this done. he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgement and acceptance that rates have to go up on higher end earners that, well, we can find a compromise here that resolves the fiscal cliff and takes a very important step towards the kind of broad...
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flexibility in the battle over raising tax rates. here he is yesterday. >> i am ready and able and willing and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so that american families, american businesses have some certainty going into next year. and we can do it in a balanced and fair way, but our first job is to make sure the taxes on middle class families don't go up. martha: okay. so president obama is also saying that he wants to raise taxes on families earning more than $250,000, but that move would only generate about $85 billion a year. that is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of u.s. debt. and that number is about what the federal government spends in just eight days. so if he gets what he wants everybody over 250,000 pays more it's going to cover eight and a half days of the government spending amount and some would say the government spending problem. art laugher joins me now. architect of reagan tphopl i raeug reagannomics. in washington they have a lot of work to do. the question is wh
flexibility in the battle over raising tax rates. here he is yesterday. >> i am ready and able and willing and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so that american families, american businesses have some certainty going into next year. and we can do it in a balanced and fair way, but our first job is to make sure the taxes on middle class families don't go up. martha: okay. so president obama is also saying that he wants to raise taxes on families...
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a year. >> he will not sign a bill that extends those tax rates for the top 2%. we can't afford it. it is not a wise economic policy or wise fiscal policy. and it would defeat the principle of balance that he has embraced. >> so with less than a month to go before the deadline, we've now had an offer and a counteroffer, but arguably, no real attempt at compromise. democrats say republicans haven't detailed how they would increase tax revenue and they haven't offered enough of it and republicans say democrats haven't agreed to serious entitlement program cuts. steve, gretchen, brian? >> steve: thank you very much, live from the north lawn. ten minutes before the top of the hour. you probably remember the $6 million man. >> wed into to make the world's first bionic man better than he was before. better, stronger, faster. >> steve: our next guest says he can make this a reality, merging man with machine. it does not involve lee majors. >> gretchen: first let's check in with martha mccallum for what's coming up at the top of the hour. >> good morning. speaking of the
a year. >> he will not sign a bill that extends those tax rates for the top 2%. we can't afford it. it is not a wise economic policy or wise fiscal policy. and it would defeat the principle of balance that he has embraced. >> so with less than a month to go before the deadline, we've now had an offer and a counteroffer, but arguably, no real attempt at compromise. democrats say republicans haven't detailed how they would increase tax revenue and they haven't offered enough of it and...
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voting overwhelmingly for president obama. california had like 20 points for the obama team. why not ask for the help? we help you, now you help us. it is implicit in the election. megyn: detroit has a jobless rate of 18.9% in october. can you imagine that? the population has plunged by 25% over the last decade. 30,000 homes stand vacant in that city. even if we wanted to bail them out, could you even put a price tag on our? >> no, you could not. they have no money left. they are right on the edge of bankruptcy. megyn: this is a long time coming. this isn't necessarily caused by the wall street meltdown. >> in 1964, it was the most important manufacturing sector in the world. it has been downhill since then. a bailout actually wouldn't really help them. they may be kicking the can for six months, but it essentially doesn't help. megyn: the notion that someone else needs to fix the problem -- somebody other than us needs to fix the problem. the city council of detroit, which is what they have been elected to do. we took a look at a video that was put out by the illinois govern
voting overwhelmingly for president obama. california had like 20 points for the obama team. why not ask for the help? we help you, now you help us. it is implicit in the election. megyn: detroit has a jobless rate of 18.9% in october. can you imagine that? the population has plunged by 25% over the last decade. 30,000 homes stand vacant in that city. even if we wanted to bail them out, could you even put a price tag on our? >> no, you could not. they have no money left. they are right on...
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. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing the word lunatic from all federal laws. it's the latest move by congress to remove language seen as demeaning or out of date, like lunatic. >>> and in australia, prime minister julia gillard talked about the supposed prediction by the mayan calendar that the end of the world is coming in two weeks. well, she did it for a comedy video for a radio show. >> i'm confident in the prediction that the world is about to end. whether the final blow comes from flesh-eating zombies, demonic hill beasts or from the total triumph of cable, if you know one thing about me, it is this, i will always fight for you to the very end. and at least this means i won't have to do q&a again. good luck to you all. >> the dead-pan delivery, always important in comedy. th
. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing the word lunatic from all federal laws. it's the latest move by congress to remove language seen as demeaning or out of date,...
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obama's approval rating of the highest level in more than a year. and associated press poll finds 57% of americans approve of the the president is doing. highest levels since the navy seals killed osama bin laden in may of 2011. up by points book -- from last month's election. also finds 42% say the country is on the right track. coming up, the inspiration doggie door bell. still ahead, frightening aments on >> good boy. that dog learns quickly. a veteran in oregon created what a doggie door bell. his dogsred of when heng the door out or come back in. about a year of testing with a portable doorbell to be insider outside. the dog seemed to love it. successful heso working on a version of cats. i just was the dog could let himself back in. he trainer how long it.dog to use dog could use one of those. thes take a look at weather. with that.ui jeras >> happy friday. i should get one of the lettings as opposed to my dogs scratching the door when he wants to go outside. you will need the umbrella of it -- you hardly need the umbrella but there areg spott
obama's approval rating of the highest level in more than a year. and associated press poll finds 57% of americans approve of the the president is doing. highest levels since the navy seals killed osama bin laden in may of 2011. up by points book -- from last month's election. also finds 42% say the country is on the right track. coming up, the inspiration doggie door bell. still ahead, frightening aments on >> good boy. that dog learns quickly. a veteran in oregon created what a doggie...
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guest: because of the rate structure. the rate between $200,000 and $500,000 are at least as high, and if not higher. your capital gain an income tax are subject to a 22% effective tax rate. if you're making more than $1 million, they're subject to a 15% rate. you have this weird double break. it raises a lot of money, but in a fairly arbitrary fashion. host: philip. michigan. democratic caller. caller: thank you. this is not so much a tax question. i used to work for a food company in 1972 that was very large, employing 3000 or more, closing in 1985. people here have lost their jobs. why does the government not do something to cut their jobs? for instance, do we really need the cia, the federal marshals here and there? why do they not get the federal bureau to cover everything? host: that is philip's idea. on twitter, a follow-up with the small-business owner we heard from, saying they eliminated business averaging which is hopeful to small businesses with fluctuating income. guest: it guest: under income averaging, if y
guest: because of the rate structure. the rate between $200,000 and $500,000 are at least as high, and if not higher. your capital gain an income tax are subject to a 22% effective tax rate. if you're making more than $1 million, they're subject to a 15% rate. you have this weird double break. it raises a lot of money, but in a fairly arbitrary fashion. host: philip. michigan. democratic caller. caller: thank you. this is not so much a tax question. i used to work for a food company in 1972...
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. >> you suggested the discussion about marshalling tax rates or taxes on the rich was a red herring in debt reduction. the problem that you have is right or wrong, obama has just won the election on that basic pledge to raise taxes. >> wrong, wrong, wrong! you know what, that makes no sense. how many people do you know that said i'm going to vote for the president to have more debt, and in an economy that can't grow it's way out of the issues? we currently only take in about 15.5% revenues. we need to get to 2021. >> i understand that. >> it's not a tax problem, it's a growth problem. and he has no growth plan. so then they blame others, because they don't have a plan. >> but he was able to get through the election doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it.
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president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out any limit at all. >> reporter: republicans who say they're open to raising tax revenue say they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if washington can't strike a deal, one casualty will be compensation for the long-term unemployed. that means people like linda vega, are worried. >> christmas and things of that nature are probably off the table. >> reporter: aides to president obama and speaker boehner met yesterday afternoon. but that meeting ended with no discernible signs of progress. rob and paula? >> thanks, tahman. >>> once the numbers are all tallied, they're going to show that the 2012 presidential election was the most expensive in history. campaign finance statements put the total cost at well above $2 billion. virtually split down the middle between president obama and mitt romney. that includes nearly $86 million raised by
president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out any limit at all. >> reporter: republicans who say they're open to raising tax revenue say they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if washington can't strike a deal, one casualty will be compensation for the long-term...
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joining us now, washington bureau chief, jerry, looks like obama's going for a two-fer, raising rates on the rich and cap deductions on the rich get them going both ways. >> opening position phase here. the problem, i think, is neither side really is moving fast enough to prevent the partisans on both wings to dig in now. i think the danger is closer to the deadline, you can't get people to pull up the stakes, move in, and support a deal. there's a compromise to be done, and i think that resolves some of the issues in the middle. i think the problem is going to be if you get a compromise at the top, will the troops below to support the compromise still be there? >> while people think there's a full month, you worry we have until december 15th? >> good point. i'm not sure if it's december 15th, but if you want a bill done by the end of the year, it takes a couple weeks to get it done, christmas in the middle, obviously, i think the deadline in practical yesterday, he said there's no way they can compromise unless republicans raise rates on the wealthiest americans. do you think that's
joining us now, washington bureau chief, jerry, looks like obama's going for a two-fer, raising rates on the rich and cap deductions on the rich get them going both ways. >> opening position phase here. the problem, i think, is neither side really is moving fast enough to prevent the partisans on both wings to dig in now. i think the danger is closer to the deadline, you can't get people to pull up the stakes, move in, and support a deal. there's a compromise to be done, and i think that...
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he said we've got a deal. >> obama: i think once republicans agree to let the tax rates go up on the top 2%, like i talked about during the campaign like the majority of americans agree to, once we do that, and i think we can get a deal. >> bill: and at the briefing yesterday, jay carney made the same point saying that there was no way -- he said it one more time. in fact, i tweeted out yesterday while i was at the briefing, how many times does the white house have to say that the president will simply not accept a deal unless the tax rates go up for the top 2%? the president will not sign a bill if it includes a continued tax cut for the top 2%. jay carney said that again yesterday. and then he got some surprising support from tom coburn, conservative republican senator from oklahoma who said you know, the president on this thing is right. what's wrong with raising rates? >> personally, i know we have to raise revenue. i don't really care which way we do it. actually, i would rather see the rates go up than do it the other way because it gives us greater chance to reform the tax cod
he said we've got a deal. >> obama: i think once republicans agree to let the tax rates go up on the top 2%, like i talked about during the campaign like the majority of americans agree to, once we do that, and i think we can get a deal. >> bill: and at the briefing yesterday, jay carney made the same point saying that there was no way -- he said it one more time. in fact, i tweeted out yesterday while i was at the briefing, how many times does the white house have to say that the...
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are elements of the broad discussion we've been having in this town for a couple of years about tax rates, about entitlement spending, about deficits that have topped $1 trillion throughout the obama presidency. i suspect all of them eventually are going to get settled but they aren't going to get settled at the same time, including the debt limit increase. >> john harwood, thank you. >>> let's see where we do stand on the fiscal cliff deal. let's look at our "rise above" meter. time to stop talking and start actle. we were at a half-way point, now back to a quarter on the "rise above" meter, closing to no deal than deal. >>> lawmakers trying to solve the fiscal cliff issue. police trying to solve a burglary at the home of california congressman darrel issa. according to reports, more than 50 pieces of jewelry worth about $100,000 were stolen from the congressman's home on november 29th. watches, earrings, rings, bracelets involved and what issa spokesperson calls irreplaceable family air looms. >>> to the jobs report today. super storm sandy slammed the east coast but it looks like it di
are elements of the broad discussion we've been having in this town for a couple of years about tax rates, about entitlement spending, about deficits that have topped $1 trillion throughout the obama presidency. i suspect all of them eventually are going to get settled but they aren't going to get settled at the same time, including the debt limit increase. >> john harwood, thank you. >>> let's see where we do stand on the fiscal cliff deal. let's look at our "rise...
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well above the national rate of 7.9%. >>> ocean beach preparing for the storm and city workers want to make sure... [ indiscernible ] we'll have that story coming up. >> and president obama's private lunch with mitt romney. what they talked about and what they ate. i play the lotto. >> get in line. soon californians will play powerball too. when the game is coming to town and who is the real winner. ,, ,, he should take somebody dancing. oh my god, him dance? have you seen...
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president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a middle-class family and he will press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases by raising rates on those making more. in washington it is the same fight. >> president obama, democrats in congress have ever been ambiguous, provide economic security for 90% of american families and 97% of small businesses asking the wealthiest 2% to contribute just a little more to stop this runaway debt. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday he is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on small business that he believes are making too much money and then on everybody else. >> there is movement on these talks and president obama and john boehner spoke on the phone days after republicans offered a hundred billion dollars of tax revenue. republicans say they're waiting on a counteroffer from the white house. back to you. dennis: should republicans hold out and let us go over t
president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a middle-class family and he will press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases by raising rates on those making more. in washington it is the same fight. >> president obama, democrats in congress have ever been ambiguous, provide economic security for 90% of american families and 97% of small businesses asking the...
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obama argued that if congress can't get a deal, taxes will rise about $2,000 average for a family. of coal you get for christmas, that is a scrooje christmas. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner balked. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from the economy that needs to be invested in the economy to put people back to work. it is the wrong approach. >> reporter: bolder by his re-election, and criticized for being soft on republicans in the past, he drew a hard line, including $1.6 trillion in revenues, $600 billion in additional spending cuts, about half in medicare, and at least $50 billion infrastructure spending. >> we don't want to increase tax rates, we're not going to increase tax rates. and we want to do something about the spending problem. >> reporter: aides say senate minority leader mcconnell laughed after tim geithner showed him the offer thursday. today, confl republican goals remain the same, they say, serious entitlement reform, including higher premiums for the wealthy, and increases in the eligibility wage, with the clock ticking
obama argued that if congress can't get a deal, taxes will rise about $2,000 average for a family. of coal you get for christmas, that is a scrooje christmas. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner balked. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from the economy that needs to be invested in the economy to put people back to work. it is the wrong approach. >> reporter: bolder by his re-election, and criticized for being soft on republicans in...
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increases. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> president obama also proposed a $16 billion of spending cuts. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> the house speaker says republicans put increased revenues including efforts to close tax loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fiscal cliff far beyond hypothetical. >> i think we're going over the clif. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice we have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington and so ellie, did anyone on any of the talk shows offer something resembling a bipartisan deal, or was effort just negativity? >> when the weekend began, an official w
increases. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> president obama also proposed a $16 billion of spending cuts. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> the house speaker says republicans put increased revenues including efforts to close tax loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that...
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obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise just those rates would avoid the fiscal cliff, where all bush era tax cuts on all tack tax brackets expire at the ends of the year. the election, popular opinion and more give president obama a lot of clout right now. and you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. republican congressmen tom cole of oklahoma disagrees stronsly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january 1st and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all taxpayers. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should just take them out of discussion right now. continue to fight against any rate increases, continue to try to work honestly for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us shortly. a rock rib conservative. chair of the national republican congressional committee, and he's no longer a lone voice in the wilderness. the staunchly conservative editorial page of "the wall street
obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise just those rates would avoid the fiscal cliff, where all bush era tax cuts on all tack tax brackets expire at the ends of the year. the election, popular opinion and more give president obama a lot of clout right now. and you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. republican congressmen tom cole of oklahoma disagrees stronsly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts...
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he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say and turn it around. boehner and the republicans have to be aware of where obama's at in his own head and with his colleagues, which is no deal without some increase in rates, or we go over the cliff. >> let me just add one thing. when obama made that initial offer, we talked a little bit about how, you know, it was a wish list. it was ideological, whatever you want to say. i think it actually helped boehner in some respects because it gave him three or four things that he could then go back to his caucus and say, look, i moved obama off of this, this and this. and when boehner put his offer ou
he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say and turn it around. boehner and the republicans have to be aware of...
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both democrats and republicans are willing to close and it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> want to get to stephanie cutter former deputy campaign manager for obama 2012. stephanie, nice to have you with us this morning. appreciate your time as always. you're the -- >> thanks for having me. >> that was your old job. the former campaign manager. feels like the campaign is not over. the president has been on the road selling, you know, campaigning on this topic. on monday he didn't have any meetings about the fiscal cliff. on tuesday he was talking to the governors of six states. today, wednesday, he'll be addressing the business roundtable. there are some folks who have said why is he having all these meetings and not just sitting down with john boehner. the two need to get in a room and work this out. why not that? >> well, there are plenty of conversations going on, but soledad, we've been in this place before. unless republicans are willing to come to the table wait real proposal, not what they came to the table with this week, then
both democrats and republicans are willing to close and it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> want to get to stephanie cutter former deputy campaign manager for obama 2012. stephanie, nice to have you with us this morning. appreciate your time as always. you're the -- >> thanks for having me. >> that was your old job. the former campaign manager. feels like the campaign is not over. the president has been on the road selling,...
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president obama is meeting with business leaders about all of this right now and we expect to hear with him -- from him within the hour. alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 7:16. florida republican senator marco rubio said republicans should take a strong stand against president obama's plan to raise taxes on upper income americans. last night, he was honored with the jack kemp leadership awards and rubio said he's against the president's plan because he says it will hurt businesses and workers. [ applause ] >> this isn't about a pledge. it isn't about protecting millionaires and billionaires. for me, it's about the fact that tax -- the tax increases he wants would fail to make a small dent in the debt but it would hurt middle-class businesses and the people who work for them. >> also, paul ryan was there. he delivered the keynote speech. he was last year's winner of the kemp leadership award. >>> controversial comedian katt williams says he's done. he's quitting standup comedy after another run-in with the law. >> i'm just gonna go ahead and announce my retirement from standup. i'm
president obama is meeting with business leaders about all of this right now and we expect to hear with him -- from him within the hour. alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 7:16. florida republican senator marco rubio said republicans should take a strong stand against president obama's plan to raise taxes on upper income americans. last night, he was honored with the jack kemp leadership awards and rubio said he's against the president's plan because he says it will hurt businesses...
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six without doing rates. we aren't going to get to a trillion six so it becomes a little academic. >> can we get to 1.2 trillion where you think and i think and other people think we're going to end up without raising the rates? >> you can do it mathematically. it works. you know, you can write laws that do it. the question you have to say to yourself, do you want to start eliminating charitable deductions for state and local taxes, for charitable, health care, retirement funds? in other words do you really want to turn people's behavior inside out almost overnight by changing the way taxes work so quickly? >> you're as plugged in as anybody, mark, to washington right now. are these guys talking to each other in a real, meaningful way? i know they put out the information that the president talked to john boehner yesterday but are there real behind-the-scenes intense negotiations going on as we're now less than four weeks away from this thing? >> in talking to people on both sides yesterday they had the identi
six without doing rates. we aren't going to get to a trillion six so it becomes a little academic. >> can we get to 1.2 trillion where you think and i think and other people think we're going to end up without raising the rates? >> you can do it mathematically. it works. you know, you can write laws that do it. the question you have to say to yourself, do you want to start eliminating charitable deductions for state and local taxes, for charitable, health care, retirement funds? in...